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June 15, 2012 |
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Chive! The discussion on businessinsider.com, that started after this article was more epic than the pics itself!
to bad it isnt included :p
Except that Chive does images, not text.
im applying for jobs after 6 months overseas so this has seriously brought back important info required. thanks chive!
What in the hell?
Someone didn't get the job..
What in the hell what?
As funny as they try to make this out this is actually usefull.
I interview people for my teams regularly and a LOT of this is relevenant.
If you are going to interviews or are preping for them take head of the above, common sense or no a lot of this gets over looked by interview candidates.
Good hunting all.
I love taking head.
I knew that was coming the second I saw my typo!
Yeah, this ones definitely up for debate.
Absolutely not! It's the easiest way to get an insight into a candidate especially with Google.
No it's not. It's been decided time and again (by courts even!) that this is okay. I wouldn't hire someone without doing it.
Casually doing a search and looking at the results is ok, and I would argue that it is expected. Asking for your Facebook username and password,so that an interviewer can look at your posts/photos/friends is becoming more common. I live in Chicago, and they are trying to pass a law that would make it illegal for employers to ask for this info. If asked for your Facebook password in an interview, I would suggest that you respond by saying that giving out your password is specifically forbidden by facebook's user agreement, and you don't think it would be ethical to violate said agreement.
Good call. Asking for facebook/etc password is a valid question. If the interviewee gives it out, I wouldn't hire him/her. If they are that free with their personal information, how effective would they be with that of the company.
Good tip fella.
Don't matter if it's right or wrong, it happens.
I can tell you, if an employer asked me for my personal facebook password, I'd get up and walk out of that interview right then. Thats completely unacceptable to me.
They won't ask you for your password you retard, they will search you before your interview to see if it is an open profile and they will peruse your profile to make sure you aren't too much of a fucking idiot.
In your case, you're fucked because I can already tell you're an idiot.
You obviously don't stay current on the news, "idiot".
I don't either and I even heard about that.
Your name represents two things that I enjoy. Please stop talking; it's embarrassing.
But a well explained "No" could get you the job.
Yeahhh except for when I came in to interview for the job I currently hold, my current boss was sitting there with a print out of my profile picture…and the only reason he didn't have more is because i locked down my facebook. Ergo stfu
That's when you whip out photos you took of the persons spouse while they were walking the dog. Also the itinerary of when their child is dropped off and picked up from school (or the route they walk home). If they get irate, inform them that everything you collected was public and that you were just trying to get a better appreciation of "real" person doing the interview.
you sir, win! lol
Wish more thumbs up were possible
This post is poo!
How's the homeless shelter treating you?
Beat me to it, I was going to ask how the unemployment line was holding up…
get off the goddamn couch
Annnnnnnnnd THAT is WHY you don't have a job…
It was written (made) by a HR guy for some company.
Im in the line for a new job…same subject…..but if I lose the position because of the people I associate with on FB, and I WILL….Im suing………just saying lol
Suing the company or your friends?
Excuses are like ass holes
James, you're an excuse.
At the very least, restrict them from posting things on your wall. Or request that your buddies remove photo tags from your Beer Pong Olympics events.
Good luck with that
You will never know why you did not get the job…. Requesting your FB password is another story. Walk out if they do….
Walking out leaves such a great impression. Instead why not give an educated response as to why you won't give up your password… Might just be what they were looking to hear.
When I hear someone say, "I'm Suing" all I hear is an empty threat from someone who has no clue what to do. Prepare yourself before an interview and you won't have to worry about such things, use your head Rob.
I'm sure the Asst. Manager at BK doesn't give a shit about whom you hang with…….Now put extra salt on my onion rings!
Thanks, I think this will actually help me a lot. I'm pretty shitty at doing interviews
#15 Should be very careful with this one. I tend to say 'No, you pretty much covered it,' because if you happen to ask them a question that they have already answered, you are done. Unless you have something specific to ask, just say No. Can always ask later. The More You Know… *NBC jingle*
If you are paying so little attention that you ask a question they already covered, you should be toast…oh, and I prefer my fries extra crispy.
That is probably something you should tell the folks at McDonalds, not some random guy on the internet. Oh, I see. Because my advice seems simple, you think I should work in fast food. True hilarity, good sir. Enjoy your extra crispy obesity. Make sure to Super Size for faster results.
Asking about something already talked about isn't a killer. If you need them to clarify something they told you early in the process, that's legit. You don't want to ask them something by sounding like you didn't pay attention to anything, but asking them to clarify a phrase you didn't understand earlier or something like that is actually a good thing and might keep you from taking a job you don't actually want or get you a job you do want.
Trav's talking about the half a day long interviews, not ur "go to the employees bathroom and fill this out interview."
steve you got roasted….suck it! you obviously have never been to an interview that is a couple hours.
don't ask about the masturbation policy, even if it's a good policy, it will be a red flag.
As an employer who's conducted many interviews, you better think of something to ask. It shows more interest in the job. No questions leads me to believe that you think you already know everything. Also, it keeps the meeting alive and let's the interviewer see more of your personality, although in some cases, may be a bad thing…
Definitely not. You should always TRY to ask a question – if you know the topic has been covered ask for more detail on something. e.g. "Could you tell me more about the work environment." or "I'd like to hear more about the team I'll be working with" etc.
At the very least, you should say that you were most interested to hear about [subject] but the interviewer covered it already and that you'll get back to them with any further questions.
A good question to ask is what the interviewer enjoys about working for the company. This helps in a couple of ways. It gets them talking about their experience in the company, which can give you a better idea of what to expect & people like to talk about themselves (so the interviewer feels like you are not just some conceited asshole for talking about yourself for an hour.)
Don't want to give out all my secrets but a question that always intrigues the interviewer is: what did someone you have seen and thought excelled at this position do to make you think that way about them? Also- the last impression made should be just as memorable as the first.
I agree to the extent that you can't think of a genuinely good question. No questions > dumb questions, questions already answered, or questions clearly asked for the sake of #15.
An interviewee should take it as a bad sign when I say "as I mentioned earlier" or "as we discussed."
sarah jessica parker looks like a foot. Dylan looks like a horse. get it right, faggots.
gross so aside from sounding like a bigoted asshole you also quote Family Guy….I'm embarrassed for you
#8 i was interviewing for a job as an intern at the playboy mansion and i didn't get the job because of number 8 >:O
Re naming weaknesses, my answer is, "To be really honest, I'm a grown up and I've been working for a while so any weaknesses have long been ironed out. If I have a trait that conflicts with my work, I correct it. I am paid to do a job and I ensure I do it right."
Everyone has weaknesses sp you're either not very self aware or lying.
Weakness = overconfidence in own abilities
Your attitude, where a little overconfident, points in the right direction. But everyone has weaknesses. Period.
Which is why I said that if I find something which conflicts with my work, I correct it.
I didn't say I was perfect but that I adapt to the job in hand.
You need to think up a good weakness that you have your own answer for. I like to use something along the lines of getting frustrated with tasks that aren't going as planned, followed quickly by taking a break from said task to knock out something else and then getting back to it with a clear head.
Fresh college graduates- a great weakness is lack of work experience in the field of their degree. Then concisely elaborate about how you've yet been in a workplace that has required the knowledge/skill base you've gained in earning your degree.
never say punctuality, or anger, or feverish masterbator as weakness.
Great post. Pretty much just a big reminder to me about how much we bullshit each other for the sake of the "professional world". A big fucking game.
I couldnt have said it better…. I vote for just being yourself in an interview… if they expect "Professional Worker" more than "Authentic Person"… then do you really want to work there? Keep in mind that YOU need to interview THEM also… make sure it is a place that you want to work at..
Yeah man. The man's totally playing a game to keep us down, man. We should totally use the power of rock and roll to change the world by holding a week long music festival that accomplishes nothing. The professional world of corporations is evil, man. And we shouldn't take it anymore, man. Occupy Wall Street! Bull crap. The world isn't full of rainbows and unicorns. You need to be professional and make a good first impression. That way they want to get to know you better and then once you get the job, you can allow yourself to integrate your personality into your job while still maintaining the integrity of how well you conducted yourself in the interview.
Umm I had a job that required no interview, however within a month I was sitting on an interview panel.
This is talking about real jobs, not McDonalds.
I've been a hiring manager for 8+ yrs and #23 is always a givin. One of the first things people do nowadays. If the FB page shows you as irresponsible you are all done. Unfortunately today, perception is reality. I have been to court proceedings on the legality of doing this and I can say that if it's on the internet it's fair game and defense attorneys will paint you into a corner on the things you post online. All I can tell you is to PUT IT ON LOCKDOWN!!!
But how do you see someone's profile if you aren't a "friend"? You can't see their comments or photos, just a name.
Depends on how you have your Facebook security settings set up. Some people put everything out there for all to see. If you're not an idiot you make it so only your friends can see your pics and posts.
When you first set up an account everything is out there for everyone to see. You have to specify who can see what in your settings
if your facebook isn't locked up it's your own fault, I would suggest erasing all tweets, or deleting your twitter profile altogether, since it could be seen as a time waster.
Or you could just not have/eliminate fb altogether?
i just realized i'm not office material. though i have always known it.
Most of us aren't, we just learn to fake it in exchange for a paycheck.
Would love to see one of these posts on asking for a raise.
The signing bonus is the most negotiable payout. If an offer is given, inquiries about a larger signing bonus (10-25%) is commonplace.
Glad I'm self-employed… never had to interview, and hope I never will.
This was written by some weasel HR douche who thinks an MBA actually has value.
If I interview you and you show no signs of humanity, enjoy your job elsewhere.
I wonder if 'humanity' can land you with a high paying job? I guess not, who cares if a someone at work is a douche as long as they can do the job right they can do what they damn want, they deserve it.
I have a high paying job. I don't hire robots. Robots are incapable of independent thought and fail under pressure consistently.
If all you do is spew out the buzz phrases you learned in MBA Academy, I have news for you, you're a robot.
Yes! Problem solving skills > PowerPoint slides of Maslow's heirarchy of needs.
critical thinking skills or bust
I've seen people who can do their job correctly but get into trouble elsewhere (relentlessly attempting to bone coworkers who don't want to be boned, etc). There's more to creating value as an employee than sparkling TPS reports.
You schmuck. I don't know what you consider a high paying job, but an MBA/MSA is 100% required to even sit for the CPA exam. And signs of humanity… Tax and Assurance(audit) accountants meet with clients regularly thus need sufficient soft skills to obtain any and all pertinent information to outfit the most transparent ledgers possible.
If there is one occupancy that is full of 'Robots' its accountants.
Bet you are a hoot to hang out with….
The US Tax code was written by accountants.
So go ahead and honk on bobo.
My wife sat and passed the CPA exam with nothing but a bachelors degree from a small liberal arts school.
Your wife is more than likely to be a decade older than I am therefore not held to modern standards. The CPA exam today requires 150 credit hours with at least 30 hours of accounting courses beyond principles and 24 hours of 3000+ level business electives. And as you stated yourself, she went to a small liberal arts school. Accredited universities do not offer 30 hours of undergraduate level accounting classes so you would have to enter the master program. You're right though, if she became a CPA a decade ago, you only needed a BBA/MSA to take the exam.
Um what?!?!? did you just make that up? My neighbor and my old college roommate are CPA's and neither has more than a bachelors
I think I'm more interested in what you have against an MBA. I have one myself and know all the work it takes to get it. I also saw classmates who could not get the work done .20-50 page papers (not a range, but assignment based) due on a weekly basis among other work, and that's not even mentioning thesis. This is not an exaggeration.
While I do value experience to an extremely great extent, those who can accomplish an MBA have proven work ethic. Most designations are similar in respect.
But since you seem to have a much larger grasp on things, enlighten me.
Once upon a time, just having a college degree was a differentiator in the job market. That stopped about 20 years ago when the US education market got flooded by every "gifted" idiot who could get a marginal SAT score and pay the entrance fees. College was then reduced to a barely challenging extension of high school.
Along came the MBA. For a while it too was a differentiator. I have people above & below me who got MBAs in the late '90s/early '00s. They got value out of their MBAs and it shows in their leadership and execution.
Then every college that could spell MBA decided to fire up a program and start cranking out diplomas. Once again, the differentiation has been lost. Just about every applicant I have interviewed in the past 7-8 years have been buzz phrase regurgitating myrmidons with no ability to think independently or critically.
All a college degree or MBA prove these days is that you can do assloads of grunt work.
I suppose you could say I don't have a problem with college degrees or MBAs or any other post grad work. Rather I have a major problem with everyone thinking that if they get one, they somehow are special and have a guaranteed place in the job market. This is compounded by the fact that many HR departments are incapable of realizing that a degree has little bearing on the value of a candidate, use automated resume screening tools, and generally have the shitty attitude that they don't want someone making more money than them without a ticket getting punched.
While I generally agree with your sentiment, I only do so in the sense of those who you mention. The key here is to understand that not everyone who goes through the system is going to be those "buzz phrase regurgitating myrmidons with no ability to think independently or critically." The whole idea of going through these programs is to promote independent and critical thinking. Also the degree a person has says something about that person, the GPA is another matter.
I have had conversations with a handful of people in the M&A world who wont touch someone without a 3.9 GPA in their respective and applicable degree. It is simple criteria. Those who do not fit that criteria, but strive for that position will have to find other ways to get there, and it happens. Experience and hard work rarely goes unrecognized (degree or not). HR departments are simply there to bring in candidates, the employers sort them out however they are found.
"All a college degree or MBA prove these days is that you can do assloads of grunt work."
There's more to it than that. You can hire any high school student and show them how to do grunt work. There's a reason companies looking for specific degrees… There is an actual education attached to them. There is value to that education whether you acknowledge it or not. Additionally most employers that are going to look for value in a person is going to look at their experience. This is why I had mentioned earlier about why I place such a great value on experience.
Now if your overall beef is with the sense of entitlement some people get from having accomplished these things, sure, I will be right along with you kicking them in the shins. I also have a tough time with those who hold a high degree of entitlement based on whatever it may be. But bottom line here is the MBA, or any degree for that matter as far as i know, never came with a shiny star that gave them a right to anything. Anyone who believes so needs their heads screwed on straight.
Glad to see there is an educated side of the chive. I can always appreciate a good argument, but as a recent graduate, I know first hand the value of an MBA. As an accountant, the big 4 (Ernst & Young, KPMG, Deloitte, and PricewaterhouseCoopers) only hire those who are CPA exam eligible. A bachelors alone won't grant you that right. I don't plan to work in public accounting forever but once I've earned my stripes here (BDO), I should be able to write my own check elsewhere in industry.
I agree it is nice to see there are educated people here. Its good to see a rational argument here instead of the usual immature bantering. My view on Chiverdom has been restored.
While I fully understand that more and more people are graduating with college degrees and making the job market more competitive, this article definitely has relevance to the real world and shouldn't just be brushed off or pushed aside because you think it produces "robots". These sort of interviews are conducted at a high majority of jobs. After they're done looking at your resumes, they want to see what you're like in the interview. How you conduct yourself and how you answer is what can separate yourself from the pack of others with the same level of education. That's why gaining a higher level of education beyond a bachelor's degree is so important these days. Once you put yourself in a position to be considered, then you're able to give them an impression of who you are. You don't necessarily have to answer each question word for word based on the guide above, but it's a good rough outline of common sense job interview tips that most people overlook.
#28, send an actual handwritten "thank you" letter. Way better than email.
… in 1986.
True story. My firm lost a junior associate a few months back and had to scramble to find a new one. We're a small law firm with a relatively heavy case load and couldn't afford to be short handed for too long. We interviewed 5 kids, and really liked one (to the point that we almost hired him on the spot and put him to work). We told all the candidates after the interview that we'd be making our decision in the next couple of days. Of the 5 kids, only one didn't email a thank you note, and of course it was our top choice. My partner and I assumed that if he didn't care enough to shoot us a thank you, he must not be too interested in the job. We hired our second choice two days later. Then, the next Monday, the kid's thank you note to us came in the mail. We felt kinda stupid, but what was done was done.
Fortunately for him, we landed a monster case about a week and a half later and decided to hire another J.A. He was happy. The lesson is, however, if you really want to send a hand written note, send an email as well. Snail mail takes forever.
What does "handwritten" mean? Describe it to me.
actually, if handwriting is part of the job, like in engineering firms, absolutely, but not if your handwriting looks like crap
Learn to write in all caps, if it is acceptable. It makes your writing much more legible.
It is really dependent on the role and industry as the whether a hand written thank you note is more appropriate than an email. I agree 100% that you need to send a thank you note of some kind.
How about one that shows how unlikely it is that the HR person is actually going to call you “either way” no matter how many times they tell you they will?
As I prepare for yet another day of looking for a job, this does help. So thanks chive.
Hey #26 is me! Actually took me 15 months but let's not split hairs.
We were hiring a while ago. All of the people who sent thank you letters/emails were categorized as trying to hard. And I didn't recommend them getting a job because I didn't want to work with that type of people… Needless to say, they did not get the Job.
Let the negative feedback come come.
I am not an American, so I might see it differently.
soooo, you are saying you don't want to work with hard working people?
Yea because I hate it when i have co-workers who "try to hard" and actually get shit done. Having kind and considerate people to work with too also bugs me
Ive never heard of sending a thank you card….
Yeah, it's pretty unheard of in the UK….
Yeah I've never done it here either but actually think it's a really good idea and while DD may not like it I think there would be a lot that would be impressed.
2 emails would be trying too hard, but also you have got to let them know, if you interviewed them if they didn't get it, or aren't in the running.
The best thing with self employed people…….we'll never get through this!
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